I understand where you are coming from, but that example you used could apply to a lot of lgbt people who think they need to join the democrat party even if they are against gun control and abortion but say "Well, at least they're for gay marriage!"
The point is you don't have to agree with every aspect of the party/political ideology you support. Also the president doesn't really have a say in social issues like gay marriage. I know gay people-the one I am representing in this comic in particular- who don't want the federal government to interfere with the idea of marriage and prefer the states handle it.
I appreciate you being polite in spite of disagreeing however! Your comment is really appreciated because expressing your opinion with outright rudeness isn't right. So thank you!
Liberals believe in the government mandating things. It is done in the name of freedom, and some liberals have very good intentions because they believe if their are more laws regulating what you can and can't do it will "protect" people. There are deviations here too, such their stance on abortion.
It's not about discrimination. The ideologies just have different ideas on government regulation and what should be regulated vs what should not.
Personally I don't like any gun control because there is already a lot of regulation on guns, I am all for concealed carry because I feel like I have that right to carry a gun for my own defense. I understand if you would just want open carry however, either way I get to defend myself!
And some liberals how hate gay people >_<
By the way, I loved the draws of both panels, they look cute and creative
I just never understood why people oppose progress.
But I wouldn't be one to judge ^^'
But of course the main point here is that your sexuality doesn't define you as a person and stereotyping is bad. I am glad you actually understand this even if you think it strange unlike some who are saying my comic here is completely invalid and saying the same things the bullies on many gay conservatives pages
Though, I have seen a ton of republicans (in fact, I'm surrounded by republicans) and I have yet to meet one that doesn't find homosexuality appauling in some way.
No, I understand that just because you like gay marriage doesn't make you a democrat in the least.. I just don't really see it making someone a republican. However, there is much more to the republican party, in fact, it is the small government that defines the party in general and the belief of trickle-down economics etc. etc. It still just seems a little ironic.
But beleifs can be complicated, and I'm chill either way~
Gay + conservative is a little more of a weird combination, because conservative politicians now almost all are against gay rights. I'm sure that conservative gay people exist, but considering the way most major conservative politicians are so opposed to all things pro-gay, there's probably not many of them (or at least not many openly gay ones; I know there's been a few politicians with really anti-gay views who later get busted having sex with another man.) Not all conservatives/Republicans/etc. buy into the party's views 100%, so I'm sure there are conservatively-aligned people who aren't 100% opposed to gay rights (I would hope that any gay conservatives out there would be among this list)... but there has been a LOT of anti-gay stuff from that side of the political fence recently, so it's no surprise that a gay person who's also conservative would get some weird looks.
Accusing someone of not even really being gay is just a messed up thing to do, though. Who would *pretend* to be a member of an oppressed minority? Seriously, with all the hate gay people get, why would anyone PRETEND they're gay when they really aren't?
Exactly my point, you have no more inherent value than anyone else. Now, it doesn't mean if you see someone sinning you should just let it slide, as that doesn't help them at all, and probably makes their situation worse. A fellow Christian is to be confronted(Privately at first, as to let him repent of his own accord, before bringing it before the church if he fails to do so.) about his misdeeds, while everyone else... well, preach and evangelize as normal.
Jesus did eat with sinners, but he also made it clear that he's not going to let them remain sinners. Come as you are, don't expect to stay that way.
There are many more Christians (~70% of the country) than there are gay people (maybe 10% or so, not even that much if you're only counting homosexuals and not bisexuals)... and yeah, not all Christians are anti-gay, but there's a good-sized chunk of the population that IS and some of that group are very loud and very involved in politics. So if you haven't seen that much gay-bashing from extreme Christians, I have to wonder if you've even been paying attention... it's pretty common.
I've seriously never even *heard* of a gay Christian being bashed as a "traitor" just for belonging to the most common religion in the country, though, and I'm not talking about just what's shown on the news or anything like that either. I haven't seen or heard about that happening anywhere except in your comments on this picture just now. And Republicans being anti-gay is not "faked by the media." There may be conservatives/Republicans who aren't anti-gay, but the party in general does tend in that direction. Almost all (at least as far as the candidates who actually get into influential positions) are opposed to gay marriage, many are opposed to the idea of gays having "hate crime" protection like other minorities, there are a significant number who ARE the type of Christians who think homosexuality is a sin, and so on.
I could understand the "traitor" comments if it was someone who actually believed the whole "homosexuality is a sin" thing despite being gay themselves, but I would hope most gay Christians don't buy into that crap. If someone was gay AND did believe that their very existence was a "sin" somehow, they'd probably be a very messed-up person (as in depression, other psychological issues, etc...)
"The media" is not a solid entity and does not generally make fun of anyone. "The media," as most people use the term, means news on TV, radio, etc... in most cases they're not really in the business of making fun of people. They just report the news (usually with a bias, of course, but the idea of some huge overarching "liberal media" is mostly a myth; there are a few channels that lean in that direction but it's not as common as people on the Internet would have you believe. And of course, there are also conservatively-leaning media as well... and even some that aren't that biased in either direction!)
Also, making fun of someone is not the same as hating or bashing them. It's one thing to make a joke or spoof someone who did something stupid, it's another thing entirely to actually hate someone or believe they're evil just because of who/what/etc. they are.
The hate crime thing, I can understand a little better. Not necessarily anti-gay to be against that, so long as the reason is that you want equal treatment for everyone (rather than not wanting gays to get the same protection as other groups already have.)
I know that just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That's why I said "I HAVEN'T SEEN IT" rather than "IT DOESN'T HAPPEN." Obviously it's happened at least once (to the point of violence), going by the article you linked to.
I'm just saying that there's no way it's anywhere NEAR as common as gay people being hated on by extreme Christians (you don't have to put "Christian" in quotes for them. the "not a true Christian" thing is complete nonsense; a Christian is anyone who belongs to a Christian religion, regardless of what type of person they are. You could say they're not Christlike or they're not doing what Jesus would really want them to or they're not *good* Christians, but to say or imply that they're not Christians just because of what they do or what kind of person they are is just not true.)
Also, completely off topic here, but it would be much easier to read your comments if you format them into paragraphs or something (push Enter between sentences/paragraphs) rather than just one big block of text.
I'm not saying some "Christians" don't bash gays. Duh, of course they do and they're terrible people. But yes, it happens the other way around too. It one, isn't shown as much, two, isn't thought of as much, and three, there are of course less gays than Straights so no, not as many get bullied cause not as much are in existence, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen just as much, it's only less because there are less of them.
Also I CAN put Christians in quotes. Saying you are a Christian does not make you one. Just like how Terrorists aren't real Muslims. I could say I'm a cow, does that make me one? No. Part of being a Christian is going by what Christ told us to do, it's not just simply believing in God.
Most people get both "types of marriage" at the same time if they're married in a church, but what gay marriage deals with is civil marriage and NOT religious marriage. Even in states where gay marriage is legal, churches who oppose gay marriage don't HAVE to marry gays... because civil marriage (being recognized as "married" by the government and getting the rights and opportunities that come with that status) is what the gay marriage laws deal with, not religious marriage.
Nobody's trying to enforce gay marriage on churches, because that's religious marriage. A church has the right to decide who they marry in that church and who they don't, for any reason, regardless of any law, because the law only relates to civil marriage. If someone went to a Justice of the Peace to get married (purely a civil marriage, no religious element involved) and THEY said no, then there'd be a problem. But a church that doesn't want to marry certain people can do that, no problem.
Example: Mormons. Even in a state where gay marriage is legal, there are no gay Mormon marriages (at least not in the temples) because the LDS church doesn't support gay marriage and wouldn't let it happen. Two gay Mormons can get married--but not in a Mormon temple marriage ceremony, even in states where gay marriage IS legal, because that's religious marriage and the law only affects civil marriage.
"It's not like it's illegal?" But gay marriage IS illegal in states where it hasn't been made legal yet. That's... kind of the whole reason why people are pushing for gay marriage laws to legalize it, because it ISN'T LEGAL YET in states that don't have those laws passed yet. Most states define marriage as only a man and a woman; until another law comes along that changes that to include man/man and woman/woman marriages, gay marriage is not legal in those states.
I never said that you were saying that no Christians ever bashed gays.
Nobody ever said being a Christian was "just believing in God," that's a massive misinterpretation of what I said (I honestly don't even know where you got that from.) Anyone who believes in a Christian religion is a Christian, regardless of your (or anyone else's) opinion of what a "TRUE CHRISTIAN" is. Islamic terrorists *are* Muslim, Christian extremists *are* Christian, and so on. They're messed-up people, they're definitely not good people, they may even be outright EVIL... but that doesn't make them not a member of the religion they believe in. You don't have to be a good person to be a religious person.
"Cow" is not a religion. You're a cow if you were BORN a cow, but nobody is BORN with a religion, you learn it and choose to believe it or not later on in your life. You're comparing two entirely different things. Your religion is determined by your beliefs (which can change at any time, unlike your species which is set in stone from long before birth.) If someone believes in a single god called Allah and that Mohammed was a prophet and that the Qu'ran is a holy text, then they're Muslim. If someone believes that Jesus is the Christ/Messiah/son of God/god incarnate/etc. (...there's a lot of variety in Christianity) and that the Bible is a holy text, they're a Christian. That's all there is to it.
We can agree to disagree on what a true Christian is. I'm sorry but my faith is based on a lot more. And the example of cow was meant to say that just because one identifies them self as something doesn't mean they really are. I know you are not born a religion, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that.
I'm actually bi, but still...
Oh, and straight people can do that too.
Plus, there are a lot of rights that married couples have that unmarried couples don't have.
As long as they are all mindless left wing conformists.
Where I live it seems all the Homosexual in Roads are made by Republicans. The first openly Homosexual District Attorney in the country is from my County and she's a Republican. We're also electing a new Mayor this fall and the Republican is likely to win, he would be our first openly Gay mayor and actually holds the title of our first openly gay man elected to the City Council.
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